M365 as a Tattoo

M365Tattoo
Welcome M to Fusion talk with Anouk and Steve.
Are we prepared for this one? we don't have any post it or anything else.
I thought about that earlier, so this is my fault. I am in a funny mood today. It's been a busy day, so I'm using this podcast to chill out and just have some fun.
Oh, but we can do that.
Absolutely we can. Absolutely we can. So, yeah, having some fun.
We are prepared, but still. Your new mics are strange.
They are. I think the quality is better, though, from what I've just listened to when we tested them earlier.
I prefer the little bigger ones to hold. That was nicer to hold.
Yeah, but these are less dangerous. If I annoy you so much, you try and hit me with them, then they're not going to hurt as much.
I never have done that. But, yes, it can happen.
These microphones, they're more rode just for those that are interested. So I use rode microphones a lot. I like them very, very much. They're sturdy, they're strong. But these are really designed for group convers. So I'm going to be starting some podcasts soon with four people.
Yes.
and so I want to be able to do them as a group. So they're hypercardoid, which means they have a very thin channel for the sound. and, we don't really need to use, them so close, but we're going to because I want to get a better quality with just two of us. and of course, they're going to be used at commsverse. That is the main thing.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
We're going to be recording live at Comms Verse again in June.
I'm looking forward to that one. That was fun last year.
And so if I can find my parcel with the microphone stands in that seem to have got stolen from my, locker. that should have arrived today. Oops. We'll see there. You won't even have to touch them, so you won't even need to feel them. They'll just be clipped into a stand and away you go.
Oh, yeah. And then you place a thin so high that I can't speak in it.
That was fun. Let's be honest. We don't have to get it too high so you can't speak into it.
All right. I, will bring my high heels and I am a little bit higher now.
You're only bringing your high heels because you're going to be in public for about two days at the conference.
I am very sure that I Can't stand two days on those heels.
Not true.
I guess that's still standing still not possible.
Walking challenge, though. Anyway, I came up with this weird idea. So, you have decided you're never going to have a tattoo.
Never say never, but probably that's going to be true. Yes.
See, the truth, of course, is that, ah, my partner will kill me. Ah, yes, so you do. If we ignore him for a minute. It is a hymn, by the way, just in case anybody was wondering. them. If you ignore them, would you then still get a tattoo?
Probably, yes. Because I had once an appointment to go for a tattoo.
Did you really? Yes, you wuss.
I wasn't. My partner didn't want, me to go, so.
So you cancelled it?
Yes. Oh, well, so then I would probably have one. Yes.
so what I had thought would be fun is that tattoos are all designs and shapes and sizes. So snakes and skulls and hearts and buildings and words, butterflies, butterflies and tramp stamps. And I never worked out what a tramp stamp is. But that's okay. I do know. But let's not go into it in this podcast. Probably not one to afford it. Not a very pleasant experience, I'm sure. and, yes, Sarah, my daughter, has this beautiful Arabian lady's head, all the way up on the side of her right hand leg. it's, it's gorgeous. Anna's got lots of really cute ones all over the place. So, yes, the shapes and sizes. So I thought to myself, if he was going to get something as important as a tattoo, something that you're going to carry around forever, why don't we use that concept to describe some of the features of SharePoint or M365? It's so bizarre. It's a fusion talk. We're fusing technology with tattoos.
Yes, we are.
But it's actually about visualizing them in some way, isn't it? That's the bottom line. Even though we're talking about tattoos, visualizing.
And making the decision to go with it and to be happy with what you decided to do.
That's very true. I think it's also learning point. Whenever you're collaborating with people or you're running sessions and workshops or explaining something
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to be able to visualize what it is you're explaining.
Yes.
my boys don't listen to this podcast. I don't think so. I'm fairly safe to say we had a session this afternoon looking at, some technologies that we want to try and change, but they didn't get It. And so they started delving into new technical solutions when that's what we're going to do, boys, I just need to find out whether it's viable or not, you know, and it was because I was unable to give them a visual that allowed them to hang on to, and because the approach is wrong. But that's all good. It's not a problem.
Something I use a lot in trainings are trying to let people understand is when we are talking about tagging. Ah. In SharePoint, then I use pictures of cats and dogs.
Cool.
And then I say, all right, if you have these pictures and, you need to create a logical structure with folders, how would you work? And then of course, they say, first of it's a cat or a dog. And then they start to talk about colors. And then I bring in the pictures of the multicolored dogs and then they are like, he is mostly black. So I think it will be with black. And then my question is, and how do you bring out every dog that has a little bit of white in it? And then they never know what the answer.
So you just decide to be smart and posh and cocky.
And then I start to explain the same example with, metadata, in SharePoint. And then I show them how they can use the filters and grouping and all of that, and then they understand what you try to achieve.
Yeah, that's good. That's good. It's interesting. The best description I. The best session I ever went to, and I'm sorry to say, whoever you are, and if you're listening, I even apologize even more because I can't remember who did it, but it was Ignite, not the one you were at. It was Chicago Ignite, I think. And he was doing a presentation around content, types and metadata and using the kitchen as an example, knives, forks, drawers, cupboards, and basically working out how to do it. So we can do that, we can tell a story about something. But what about creating an image, a visual. Now, I don't think you're going to be very good at this.
Oh, now you are challenging me.
Yep, I am, because I know the way your brain works. You're a developer, fairly logical and. And straight paste, which is fine. So when it comes to trying to describe an image that describes some of this technology, I think you're going to be crap. The microphone is not very heavy. I can say these things without safer.
I wasn't throwing the microphone at them. I took the glass.
yes, Just the water would be enough. Oh, dear. All Right. No, no. Well, we'll see, we'll see. All right, so.
So you are going to draw that image then?
Well, no, let's just, just work it out. So what I was thinking of, we'll find a term. I'll choose a term, and then you have to describe the tattoo that you would build, that people would look at it and would go, oh, you're talking about, and if you want to go first and choose a subject so I, I'm the first one. I say. I don't mind that either.
No, go ahead, throw me in front of the lions. I like that.
Now, I know you like the challenge. Okay, so the tattoo can be as small or as big as you like. It has to be on a particular part of the body which may or may not be relevant. And you need to describe what the tattoo is saying. And the tattoo cannot include the word. All right, we're, describing. All right, and then that's good. Now the upside of this is also good when you're doing presentations. You know, when you want to talk about something, but you don't really want to put the words on the slide, you can kind of come up with abstract images and stuff like this. All right, so I'm going to go with something fairly right up your alley, my darling. are you ready? Workflow.
All right, so that will be, I will probably say a middle sized tattoo.
Okay, well, just describe what it looks like.
I think I would describe it like, if you want to go out with your dog for a walk, I would put in all of those little steps, like taking the leash, put it around the neck of your dog, opening the door, walking out together with your dog, closing the door, and then start to walk around, doing a little round,
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walking trip and then doing the steps in reverse to come back.
The real problem is that you're now halfway down both arms. So how would you, how would you visualize that in. In one or in. In a simple image? What you've described is a comic.
Yeah, but, that's what I would go with in to the tattoo artist. And I would say I would like to have all of these steps described and make something small that it puts in together.
Okay.
And it will. They will create something with very small.
you're supposed to create this. Yes, that's a challenge that. So what do you think it looks like then? I already think I know what it might look like would work, but you first. Or if you can't do it, I'll.
Just say I think it will be the little steps, the dog, the leash apart, opening the door apart, and then all around.
But again, you're describing a comic strip. You've only got one image. You've only got one arm.
Yes. But you can do a lot in one image. It doesn't need to be that abstract. You can combine things. Okay, what do you think it would look like?
Well, I like the idea. I love the idea. I think what I would do is I would have, the guy holding the lead of the dog walking towards you. Behind you, you can see the footprints, and maybe they separate off a little bit and come back together. And then maybe you have footprints in front that are now not filled out, just a silhouette. And maybe the dog goes one way and the guy goes on another. So then you're basically saying this is a flow of work where things. Decisions are made and things are separated. So that's where I would have the T. I think I'd do that. So if you come up with this tattoo idea even better than I did, which I think there might be something better, because I was also thinking about different leads, but that's okay. Doggy leads. where would you have it? Is there a relevant place for a workflow that you would.
There is no relevant place, but I think, just because it will be looky fancy on, I think the leg. The leg.
Yeah, I think so. Because you're talking about walk, flow, Work.
Yeah.
Walk, flow, get it? All right, cool. I like that. I like that. It's good.
So am I really so bad in thinking about.
You don't want me to answer because you get upset. I think what you described will be a good T shirt, not a tattoo. I think you've only got as far as T shirts here, because I think a tattoo has. The thing about a tattoo is it has to be specific because you can't change it.
No.
And you. And. And tattoos. I get it. If you do it down the arm, you could kind of do that, but it sort of seems a bit of wasting an old arm just to do workflow. So I think with a little bit of work and good artist where they can show some movement in this, so you can actually show what direction they've gone in. Maybe even they go around an obstacle or they go and pick something up.
If you really want to go with this one and you want to go for a very big tattoo, you can have a snake on your arm that is going around and going to go to little steps to little places to catch, or something like that.
Yeah, that would work as well. Workflow. Slithery. Workslow. Yeah. Oh, fun. Yeah. So. But yeah, so big tattoos. There you go. all right, so workflow tattoos a dog with a lead. Walking together. Separate. I like it.
Yes.
Nice. Not bad, actually. I'll give you four out of 200. No, I give you four out of ten for that. Room for improvement.
So if you need to describe something as a tattoo. Ah.
This is very weird.
You said workflow to me. A, channel.
Oh, that's interesting. A channel. channel, as in Ms. Teams channel.
Yes.
Tattoo to describe an Ms. Teams channel. So what does an Ms. Teams channel do? It contains content.
Yes.
It's private or shared.
Yes.
So you have to think about that. Okay, I like this. And it, so it holds content. So what I would do is I would. Oh, that would be cool. I would have a musician standing on
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a stage carrying the guitar in his hands. That's his content to the point where he's just about to step on the stage and in the background you can see the audience waiting for him to play. So you're putting stuff into a channel, you're uploading something private, but you're sharing it with lots of people.
But don't you miss one important part.
Of a channel, obviously. Otherwise this would be a boring podcast. Go.
What about, communication and chat in it?
What, a musician that plays a guitar and talks to everybody?
It's one way direction.
No, it's not. Have you ever been to a concert where the audience don't cheer or provide feedback?
They don't often provide feedback. They cheer.
But I went to Jamie Cullum last week. There's no. Actually, Jamie Cullum's support act was a guy. He said his name so many times because it turned out to be quite fun. but, he was talking to the audience, and the audience got to the point where he mentioned his name so many times, they kept saying, go on then, tell us your name, and shouting it out from the different parts of the audience. And also, he said, hey, guys, this is the point where you need to turn your lights on to show me you're there. So they turn their lights on on their phones. So I think in terms of the channels, the communications and everything else, then a music artist is the way to go. I think so anyway.
Yeah, maybe.
Oh, you are being a tough. You hate losing, don't you?
No, no, but.
Okay, tell me what your tattoo would look like then for a channel.
I don't know yet. But the reason why I talked about that Communication was. Because I recently was. On Monday, I was giving a training and, it was a company just starting to use teams during the pandemic. They didn't use teams and they really didn't understand the communication part of it, of a channel.
Right.
So I'm just thinking about what I've heard there. They would not understand tattoo then.
No, that's fine. But a tattoo doesn't need to be understood, but it's a talking point. So they go, hey, what's this tattoo? Well, actually, it represents something I use every day at work, which is a channel within Ms. Teams. So I have information that I want to share with people. So, this is like the musician with his guitar. That's his tool for communicating. And he's about to go into an audience, send the information into the audience and get some feedback as to whether or not it was good. Definitely a nine out of ten.
No, no, we believe we let him in his goodness.
Oh, you're a tough one.
Always.
You're a tough. I know, I know. Alrighty, so there you go. Tattoo. So how would we. And, let's talk about this. If we had more space, if we had a T shirt, what would it look like as a T shirt? Would you go with something different? Would we still go with the idea of public speaking, public production, a concert or something? Because you are right. I, quite like the idea of. Because it wasn't about collaboration. You didn't give me the word collaboration, you gave me the word channel.
Yep.
And with the channel, you put stuff into it and people could then just ignore it or they could give you feedback, which is why I went with concert. So on a T shirt, you could do bigger concerts. You could also do multiple teams, multiple instrumentalists, a band. A band. Gee, we got a band.
Yeah, you can do it. But I think I would go in some kind of other direction, like, sitting at a, All right, you need to help me with the English word Now let me.
Try the Dutch word then.
Campfire.
Campfire.
Campfire.
Yep.
It's that easy.
It is.
So, like sitting on a campfire, putting wood in the fire, sitting around talking, playing music, having fun, laughing.
Oh, I like. I like. So, but, So you had the collaboration side of it. M. That's good too.
And also the communication, because you sit around the fire talking and so, yeah, I will maybe go to something like that.
Worked
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her a few years ago. 21 pilots played. All right. One of the best live gigs in terms of interaction I've seen. They were very good but they actually brought a fire on stage and they all sat around it and they did about three songs sitting around the campfire. Yeah, it was quite clever because you felt part of something that was not just a concert. So you're right. It did integrate. I like it. Teams channel as a campfire. I know. All right. I, think that's probably better than my idea, I think.
Ooh, this is hard to say.
No, it's not. It is for you. It's not for me. I'm very generous. I don't mind you just have this.
Just that the people didn't saw your look. You were looking down when you say it.
I was not. Wow. Competition brings out the worst in you.
Not only competition.
All right. Good, good, good. So this visualization is good. So we've had, a dog on the lead for workflow is a direction and a flow, which I think that's really good. A process. because when the dog craps on the floor, the guy has to go through a process to clear it all up, get the bag and all that kind of stuff. So process. I get that. workflow. Inevitable workflow. Probably. and then, we kind of had the. The stage stuff for the channel and the campfire. I think that was a good response. Nearly as good as mine. Nearly as good as mine. Not quite, but nearly. All right, my turn then. I think we will go with. I'm going to make it easy. I'm going to give you an easy one. All right. SharePoint. site.
An easy one.
You said an easy one. Oh, it's piece of wee wee. This visualization of a site. Easy. Everybody's sitting there screaming now. The answer. Why? They're waiting for you to pull your head together. They are.
Does it matter that it's team or communication site?
I said SharePoint site.
SharePoint team or communication site?
Both. One on each, arm. Choose one. I don't think it matters.
Then I will probably go with a tattoo. Something like. How can I best describe this?
Have you ever seen the game called Countdown from Chat from the England?
No.
Where they have 30 seconds to do things because we only guessed 25 seconds. It goes, So I think you'd have had the sound by now.
Probably. But we didn't say how long we kept on.
We did not. That's true. Yeah. But I'm a man. I like to change the rules as.
We go along and distract people. Because now I'm forgot, what I.
Was going to say. Yes, perfect. That still means I'm winning. Sharepoint site. I will go with, I think probably.
Something like an, old bookstore.
Oh, nice. Close. Everybody sitting there listening. You can hear it going. Say house. Say house. It's a house.
No.
Yes.
I would go with an old bookstore.
So with only one library. No, but the shops have got books everywhere. You've not got different rooms.
But you have the different ranks where you go and collect different shelves. The shelves and the different kind of sections and kind of books and.
Yeah, it was a good one. It was a very good one.
So where do lists fit the registration with which book?
Who bought that would be metadata. But that's okay.
Yeah, but you need to register that somewhere.
M. Maybe. Maybe. Possibly. Wish I thought of this. It's a good one.
With what would you go? A house.
I would go with a house on the basis that you have different containers on the site. So I'd have a picture of a house. I'd describe my house. No, actually, you need to describe your tattoo. You just chose an object.
I would go with an old bookstore with a staircase, with an upper floor with all of the different kind
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of shelves with the shelves downstairs.
Oh, I can see that tattoo. It looks good.
Yep.
Oldy worldy. Yeah. I like that. I would go with a house and I think I would go possibly with a, garden path up to the. The door and the door is open and inside you can see stairs going up, rooms to the left and the right. Maybe a doggy in one room. And maybe you can see the garage open on the side with car inside it. So with every container you have in, the house has got something different in that is relevant to a house.
Of course, maybe I need to change something. Not a bookstore, but a library.
I wondered about that. When you said bookstore, I have to say maybe you're bright. Maybe that's the choice.
A library is better. The tattoo would look the same, but it would be a library with a section for young adults, for children.
Children's books. Adult books.
Yep.
My mother's mills and boom. Romance books. Yeah, that kind of works. Where would you have the tattoo?
No idea.
You should never ask a woman. I'm going to be a little rude and naughty on ah, our podcast and I tell you a very true story. So, tattoos fascinate me a little bit in that I think that you. If you're going to do something to your body, it should mean something. All right, strange noises today. so I think you should. Should mean something. So consequently, if somebody says they got a tattoo, I always think that there's A reason for the tattoo for being okay. Now, if you're in the US army, when you sign up your. For the US army, you basically sign your body over to them. So you're not, in theory, allowed to have tattoos. Imagine American, soldiers and things. They don't. They have tattoos everywhere, so they don't really follow the rules. Anyway, I was running a training course, security. And, that's. The tattoos came up. The term tattoos came up. Somebody was saying they were having a new tattoo that weekend, and I was kind of saying, hey, so why are you going to tattoo? Well, my sister's coming over and we're going to have a joint tattoo that, you know, is connected and is connected to our mum who died this year. And I went, oh, that's beautiful. So this, this beautiful, African American lady, said, I have a tattoo, but I can't really talk about it. So of course, all the boys around her were going, oh, go on, tell us about it. She went, no, I'm not allowed to talk about it, but got a tattoo. And it's. It's quite special to me. Anyway, at the end of the day, she decided whether she was teasing me or not. But she decided that since everybody left, she would tell me about the two. She said I wasn't going to do it, but she says I had a tattoo because I wanted a tattoo that nobody could see. It was just me. And, it's actually the people who know me. It's, a little devil with a pitchfork, and it's on the inside of my ass cheeks with the pitchfork going up my bottom. All right. She says that nobody could see it. Yes, I guess it was. She said, so anyone that knows me, I'm a horny little devil. And, yeah, I was thinking, okay, now what am I going to do with this? It's more fun when other people are around. But I kept it quiet. I didn't mention any about it the following day. But, yeah, so she has, the horny little devil on the cheeks of her bottom. It was funny, Strange conversation. It was about six hours later at the end of the day on this. You know, we've been sitting doing all the security stuff, so tattoos are a bit strange. Personal tattoos. All right, so go on then. Last one.
Oh, the last one. And then I would go with exchange.
Oh, wow, that's. That's easy actually, isn't it? I see. There's so many images coming to my head on exchange M. So I would, yeah, that would be great. So I would have the tattoo on my chest, right between my breastbones, right in the middle of my chest. And I would have a cheeky looking green L for goblin or something, but fun rather than evil looking. And then I would have envelopes with the email sign on them. And he's reaching up and grabbing them. So he's got a handful in his hands already
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and he's grabbing all these messages, to show that he's receiving messages and looking at them. And maybe on the floor by his feet, there's a bunch of opened messages that are read and looked at. There you go. Would that be exchange? It'd be a cool tattoo though.
It would.
You'd have to give it a name because everybody has to have a name. You know me, that would be. What would I call that person? I would call them imap.
I would do something different.
Really?
Yes. On my wrist I would have two people and they are flying over to each other. letters and the ads. So that you have lines with letters, in it or the ads in it at, ah, both sides directing to each other.
Oh, that'd be cool. Subtle. Subtle with the signs on it. Otherwise it could be just a washing line.
No, an envelope. The classic letters that you send to each other.
Cool visualization. Interesting. So anybody who's a tattooist that could offer us a discount to do a M365 tattoo? Yeah, it's fun. but it's true, isn't it, that pictures are just so useful to be able to describe and try and communicate and pass things on? I mean we never hit some of the obvious ones like metadata. You know, we could sit there and have an envelope with an address on it and then box different pieces out and you know, metadata, manage metadata. You could have.
Yeah, you can have a lot of things.
Yeah, ah, images are important.
They are. And I've learned with trying to explain things with simple things that people know for M365 or anything else, and you get examples that people understand. They are getting way better in following what you are saying than just try to explain things.
Yeah, no, I think that's true. But I think also the use of videos are, the use of images are better than they, they used to be. So here's your challenge. So the way we're going to post this, this podcast of course, is that I will create it, edit it down and make sure it's all good to go. You will then create the COVID So your job is to go to designer and create tattoos through AI, then explain this podcast. Well, there may be just one of them from the podcast. Choose one.
Okay.
And then see whether you can get the one that looks like one of those we've described.
I will get two. I will get one of your. And I will get one that I made.
We can always include it on the, the page with the other stuff.
Yes.
Neat. Wow, I am so tired. Not that I'm bored with you, it's just I had a really bad night's.
Sleep, so I know that feeling.
And I'm getting comfortable. We're in the studio, we're on the sofa because we can't be bothered to stand up and walk around. And I think I'm ready for some food.
Yes, so do I. Yeah. What are we going to eat?
I don't know. We'll go wander around and sniff and go. I could. I could eat Chinese. I could do a bit of trip to Antwerp, Chinatown.
I already had three days of Chinese this week.
Okay. So, I'm not doing Chinese.
The difficult part is going to start.
Choosing what to eat.
Choosing what to eat. And be aware it's the ladies period of the month, so I am always a little bit.
Don't worry, people. I'll edit that out. Wow, we have took this to a new low. Wonderful. I love that very much. All right, well, we're not having Indian then, because it made me puke up last time. Seeing as we're starting to talk about things that, you know. All right, well, we're not doing Italian because I don't like Italian. We'll go find something. We'll go find something to eat. All right, guys, hope you've enjoyed this weird little podcast, where we're talking about visualizing different things within the M365 and turning them into tattoos.
Yes, I did.
And, check out some of the social media. We'll put all of the AI created tattoos that we've been talking about on the podcast.
I will put all my examples in there as well to see what works best.
Yes, of course, of course. And then
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we'll see what happens. So Steve Dolby is saying hi and bye. Welcome to Fusion Talk. Hope you've enjoyed it, and we'll catch up with you a little later.
All right, talk to you all later. Bye. Bye.
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