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>> Anouk: Welcome to fusion talk with anouk and steve. So you stopped eating now?

>> Steve: Yes, I did. I was hungry.

>> Anouk: I could tell. I could hear the chunking of.

>> Steve: Yes, I'm eating all of your Krupuk

>> Anouk: m. Oh, well, welcome, everybody. It seems to have been a long, long time since we recorded Fusion Talk. We've been travelling, we've been busy, we've been all kinds of stuff. Work gets in the way of the fun, doesn't it?

>> Steve: It does, but we did had a lot of fun, to be fair, actually.

>> Anouk: Yes. So, um, when was the last episode we recorded?

>> Steve: I don't know. But I do know that I released it two weeks ago or something like that.

>> Anouk: I know. That's fine. And our travel companion is managing. We have a. An English guy that is coming to Antwerp to stay with me for a few days and we're struggling to work out how to get a train ticket. But apparently he will be on the 501 train.

>> Steve: All right, so.

>> Anouk: Well, he will. If he hurries up. He only has a few minutes to go.

>> Steve: Oh, yeah, he will. He will be fine.

>> Anouk: So he'll be fine.

>> Steve: No, it's been a long time that we recorded, um, the previous episodes. It's been not that out that long yet. It's my fault. I was late with it.

>> Anouk: Summer holidays.

>> Steve: Summer holidays. Um, but not only summer holidays. Also speaking at conferences, making TV at conferences.

>> Anouk: Scotland.

>> Steve: Scotland.

>> Anouk: Scotland.

>> Steve: So, yeah, we had some fun.

>> Anouk: We did, actually. It was good call. Good call. And, um, we've just sat there and booked up, uh, three speaking events for Oslo, Groningen and Prague. Although Prague. You're doing solo.

>> Steve: I am. I'm going solo again.

>> Anouk: Back going.

>> Steve: No, it's. It's not your topic in Prague. Not at all.

>> Anouk: It's, uh, one of those boring programme, workflowy things. Yeah, yeah.

>> Steve: It's not even workflow.

>> Anouk: No. I can't remember what you were doing now. It doesn't matter. Maybe we'll tell people. That's not a bad thing. Why don't we talk about some of the things that we actually have been covering at the speaking circuits and. And how well they have and have not done. I tell you what. So let's just recap a little bit. So we spoke at Bletchley.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: We spoke at, um. Um.

>> Steve: I did a workshop. Yeah, we did. Segreb. I did a workshop at Scottish Summit.

>> Anouk: I, uh, did, uh, a session at Coost as part of the Smart bites.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: So we've got a lot of things to talk about.

>> Steve: We do.

>> Anouk: So what did we do at Bletchley because Bletchley was interesting for me. The eye opener at Bletchley was how many people are still thinking, should we go to AI or not?

>> Steve: Yes. Um, so in Bletchley we did actually a session. It was not the first time we did it.

>> Anouk: Prompt catalogue.

>> Steve: Prompt catalogue.

>> Anouk: I remembered. That's good news.

>> Steve: Yeah, very good. I was thinking earlier, what did we do in Bletchley or what did we do in Zagreb? And I was messing them up. But yes, we did prompt catalogue and we got some. It was a very nice interactive session.

>> Anouk: It was. Yes.

>> Steve: Um, not that extremely many people in there. But this needs to be because the interaction with the audience was just so much fun. So much of the questions we got back, uh, trying to help the people.

>> Anouk: No, that's true. So just for people that have not seen the session. So basically we are looking at trying to help people understand how they can set up an enterprise prompt catalogue. So if the real problem with AI at the moment is that most of it is at the um, uh, generative stage. So personal copilot, uh, that kind of stuff. Nothing enterprise wise. And of course they um, um, really should stop poking my eye seeing as they cut it up this morning. Um, it's watering a little bit. Um, anyway, just that enough of my medical conditions, otherwise we really will start to be here for a long time.

>> Steve: Oh boy.

>> Anouk: So yeah, so we kind of just do a talk about how important it is that people are able to share that knowledge, that prompting knowledge. Uh, and we talk about how we knock it together in uh, SharePoint. Well, you talk about how you knock it together in SharePoint and I just harass you as you're doing it.

>> Steve: Yeah. Um, but I do like one of the comparison you made in that stage was it's like starting with content types and metadata. It's a little bit the same thing. It's something people, once they are familiar with it, they will like it. But they don't going to like to start off with it.

>> Anouk: No, that's true. But just, just like content types, people didn't get it. They just threw documents into libraries. Um, and uh, they hoped it would sort of work itself out.

>> Steve: And it is now with Copilot in SharePoint but it wasn't there earlier so. So you still needed to do a lot of the own stuff yourself. And that's what people still don't like doing. I still have those kind of struggles with some of my customers saying we don't want to fill in that metadata, just build us some good Search results only search results is not going to fix this for you.

>> Anouk: Agreed. And I think that. I think Microsoft themselves got a bit confusing around all of this stuff. We know content types are important for so many different things. Then they try to get AI to fill them out for them, etc. Etc.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: Um. And, um. And they're kind of managing to do that, but that's okay because it keeps us in a job.

>> Steve: It does.

>> Anouk: I mean, but. But let's go back to that session. So there was two people that I particularly remember. One was the lady that was expecting a baby that was running her own business and she asked a question. How can I get my workforce motivated and driven by Copil? You know, what can I do for them? And it's an interesting question. Um, nothing. They have to do it themselves. You kind of have to educate them and get them excited about it and then they will work it out themselves. It's not that you give them. These are a set of prompts you can use, you know, but obviously there was a step of fear there that was stopping a. Drive it forward.

>> Steve: Of course you can give them a set of prompts if you really want to, but that's not going to help them. That's just, um, saying if you do this, then you get something like that back and it's not that people are going to learn from it then.

>> Anouk: No, I don't think it is. I think they'll just end up. Well, maybe they'll get started in it. But anyway, that was an interesting question. So five years Copilot's been here five years?

>> Steve: Something like that.

>> Anouk: Do you know how much Microsoft have to pay for Copilot?

>> Steve: No.

>> Anouk: A year?

>> Steve: No.

>> Anouk: 2 billion.

>> Steve: Whoa.

>> Anouk: 2 billion for chat. GPT provide to. For providing them with the service. I read an article the other day that's a lot. Yeah, well.

>> Steve: But then again, if you see how many people are using it, how many companies are starting to use.

>> Anouk: Might end up being a cheap purchase anyway.

>> Steve: Let's not say that. Let's not make the prices more expensive.

>> Anouk: Maybe that's just the length of the contract. But yeah, it was just because they paid a lot of money for it and start off with. Anyway, um, so that was one kind of things we got. And then the second one was people that were. That really came to listen to the prompt catalogue because they were trying to do something along those lines.

>> Steve: Yes. So we had a few people that were trying to build something like that in their organisation and they were there to see the tips and tricks that we were Giving them. And how we, uh, use the basic stuff in your, um. In your tenant, in your licensing to provide us.

>> Anouk: Yeah, because what we were suggesting was make it a SharePoint list to give easy access to it. Um, and we put a search page together so they could search for them. And it's all free. It's all stuff they currently have already. They don't need to do anything other than build it.

>> Steve: Yep.

>> Anouk: Um.

>> Steve: And fill it in.

>> Anouk: And fill it in. Yes. It's the same as anything else.

>> Steve: That's the most important part.

>> Anouk: I have a spreadsheet.

>> Steve: Fill it in.

>> Anouk: Do I need to fill that in? I've got all my prompts on a spreadsheet. Yeah, they're my prompts. So, uh, my M job. M is secure. Yeah, but is it really like that? I wonder.

>> Steve: In some companies and in some people. Yes.

>> Anouk: Yeah, I guess you're right.

>> Steve: And that's. You will always have that. That's how humanity works. Human are afraid to share things with other because they can do things wrong with it.

>> Anouk: It's a very bland statement, though. Humans are afraid. I mean, some people are.

>> Steve: Some. Yeah.

>> Anouk: I mean, it's a bit like anybody that shares their formulas on Excel. I mean, they do because they want other people to. To learn from it. But, yeah, other people just don't have time to share these things. So, uh, you know, it's a combination of things, really. But that's what we were coming at. So that was. That was Bletchley.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: If. If people have not been to Bletchley, they should go.

>> Steve: Yes. Really amazing venue.

>> Anouk: It is.

>> Steve: I had issues with my laptop, so I didn't see much of the venue this year. I was most of the time in the speaker room trying to fix that. After an update, I forgot about that. Um, but otherwise, the tour of Bletchley. Going to the, um. I, uh, forgot the name.

>> Anouk: Bomb.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: Right. Or the Colossus.

>> Steve: Colossus. And seeing those rooms is just amazing. And walking through the hallways and then you can say, I had that phone, I had that computer, I had this.

>> Anouk: Yeah. When I go through there, I go. I have every one of these. Yes. Even the ones that's got the little steam chimney off the side of it. Um. Yeah. Yes. I'll just. It's. It. It's impossible to look back on my life and realise that I literally did have the first mobile devices that came out. Data ones and voice ones. So, uh, ask me anything. I can tell you it all. Laptops, PCs.

>> Steve: What I also like about Bletchley is the way Paul and his team is organising it. They force you to go to the shop to buy something to support the museum.

>> Anouk: No, that is true. So that, that is worth mentioning. First of all, go to Bletchley. Take your kids to Bletchley. Go and spend the afternoon at the National Computing Centre in Bletchley. You can get there by train. It's just a 15 minute walk from the station. And, um, it is just in awe of the stuff that you can do there and, and whatever. So that's the first thing. The second thing is that this event is a nonprofit event and every money that's made from sponsors and everything else goes to the National Computing Centre. So the whole thing is organised there. And so that was superb. And then we had a rush away from there to get to the airport.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: Because then we did our second presentation of the week.

>> Steve: Yes. Uh, our second presentation was in Zagreb. It was first one. So I was a little bit afraid about how it will turn out because, uh, we knew it was going to be a lot of information.

>> Anouk: I'm sitting there trying to remember what

>> Steve: it was and I forgot the roadmap to AI, how to prepare your data for it.

>> Anouk: Yes, that's right. And I think we got 2/3 of the way through the slides.

>> Steve: Yeah, we went at one point, we went quite quickly. But, um, we know now if we will do this again. We know what we need to think about and what we need to stay focused on. Um, while we did a lot of talking, I did also a few demos to break it up because otherwise it's quite boring, to be fair to.

>> Anouk: Only not if I'm speaking. It's not boring if I'm speaking.

>> Steve: Oh yeah. Then you are making poses for the pictures and all of that. That's true.

>> Anouk: I can speak without demos.

>> Steve: No, but the subject is getting people bored at some point in time and that's why you need to break it up a little bit.

>> Anouk: It was. And it was a fairly deep session as well. It was least sort of level two to 300. Um, and, um, we kind of did a number of things, but the basic concept was that instead of building security to protect people and to cover people focus, that you should really build your security now for content. So from an AI perspective, you need to make sure that the content is better protected than the people. Um, and so you twist the triangle around. Um, but that went down really well. I think a lot of people enjoyed that and asked a few questions and stuff.

>> Steve: Yeah, we had some good questions during the session. Some Good. Afterwards, um, even in the hallway, um, talking, people were talking to us. So that's always nice.

>> Anouk: No, I agree. And so that wasn't it. And it's a great venue as well. It's at a college.

>> Steve: Yeah.

>> Anouk: A modern, new modern college, um, in Zukareb. Um, so that was pretty cool. And we had fabulous weather.

>> Steve: We did.

>> Anouk: Walking around the town.

>> Steve: Yes, it was beautiful weather. Um, the event in Zagreb is very familiar, family friendly. It feels like that because all of the rooms are actually next to each other. Yeah. When you exit the room, you are directly in the little expo hall.

>> Anouk: Unless you're downstairs in the basement room.

>> Steve: Yeah, there was one that was downstairs. Right.

>> Anouk: Most of it. M. The. From a social perspective, they get that one right. Everybody comes into the centre of the hall. There's drinks and sandwiches. They put a bar on at lunchtime. Typical Eastern European.

>> Steve: Yeah.

>> Anouk: Drinking in the middle of the day doesn't matter. It's good fun. So. So, yes, that was fun. And of course this kit are the other main drivers and, and, uh, supporters of that event. Um, who are of course based in, uh, Croatia.

>> Steve: They are.

>> Anouk: Sorry, I'm getting tired here already.

>> Steve: Are you getting bored of this already?

>> Anouk: Not bored. I've had stuff poked in my eye today and anaesthetic injections.

>> Steve: Yeah.

>> Anouk: So I got a black eye. See, I could feel like it's a black eye now.

>> Steve: Anyway, it's. Yeah, it's getting black.

>> Anouk: Getting black.

>> Steve: You were in a bar fight, but you didn't. You don't want to say that.

>> Anouk: You was not supposed to tell anybody.

>> Steve: We were lucky that we were able to get inside group.

>> Anouk: Were we?

>> Steve: Yeah. Why am I missing at the airport with our stopover?

>> Anouk: Oh, that was so much fun. So we, we, we travel a tremendous amount. I mean, along with all the other speakers. And we were booking today kind of a bunch of accommodation and flights for the future stuff. And we were just looking at all the speakers that were at all of the different events. And that was pretty cool as well. Really, really enjoyable. Um, but yes, we, uh, we, we went with Paul and we went down to Heathrow on the, um. Wednesday. Yes. And we were due at a 6am

>> Steve: flight, something like that.

>> Anouk: 6am flight out that changed in Vienna. Um, and we had 50 minutes. 50 minutes is a long time at a very small airport to change flights, uh, to get from one to another. Um, and, uh, we got off the flight and we had to go through passport. Because we came in from England.

>> Steve: Yes. Because we have something called Brexit.

>> Anouk: Yes. Little Brexit. Small Little political thing. Um, and so we had to queue for passports and that gave us in. Then we, we went around the corner, around the corner, around the corner. And we had to go through security again. And there was at least five or six hundred people queuing for security. And we had 15 minutes before the gate closed.

>> Steve: Yeah, yeah. So we made it.

>> Anouk: Luckily we had a very, very friendly security guard who took us straight to the front of the queue and uh, we made it with two minutes to spare. I think it was. It uh, was touch and go.

>> Steve: It was.

>> Anouk: But that worked out and we eventually got to.

>> Steve: That's uh, the fun. It's part of travelling. If you don't have stories like that, then you are not travelling enough.

>> Anouk: I agree entirely. I agree entirely. I met a few people that missed flights on that journey. Some people were stuck at airports and turning up late. But that's fine. It happens to everybody at some point or another. Um, we had an amazing meal and uh, a walk up the hills. So on the, uh, Saturday, because the event was Friday, so we had around on Saturday and uh, um, grabbed some food and a, uh, restaurant up on top of a mountain somewhere and drank uh, some local wine. Surprised that the local wine is fizzy. So it's champagne kind of stuff. And, um. Orange.

>> Steve: Yes. We learned something about it as well.

>> Anouk: We did.

>> Steve: So that was great fun.

>> Anouk: So that was good. Um, and I think it was a good learning experience. I think.

>> Steve: Um. Yes.

>> Anouk: Yeah. Nice place.

>> Steve: Next. Up next is Groninger.

>> Anouk: Oh, you're not going to mention Scottish Summit.

>> Steve: Oh yes, Scottish Summit. I forgot. Yeah. Ah, how can I forget?

>> Anouk: You did a whole workshop.

>> Steve: I did.

>> Anouk: On gamification, workflow and Copilot Studio. Copilot Studio.

>> Steve: Building a gamified onboarding agent with Copilot Studio.

>> Anouk: Nice. So basically Scottish Summit is a large event. I mean it's the Comms versus Southern.

>> Steve: Yeah.

>> Anouk: Um, uh, conference kind of event. I don't know what, 600 people or something.

>> Steve: Something like that. Yeah.

>> Anouk: Um, and they did, uh, workshops on the first day and it said Murrayfield Rugby Stadium in Edinburgh. And we were booked, uh, with all the television crew. So we took all of the studio, uh, cameras, um, and everything and anything else and basically recorded a whole bunch of people, uh, on a live vlog.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: Which I still need to get mixed down and posted.

>> Steve: Yes. Um, it's not the first time we do a thing like this. Uh, we've been doing it a few years at commsverse now. Um, but for my. For myself, um, this is more subjects that I can Follow with what I understand better than Commsverse. So this was more interesting for me.

>> Anouk: Yeah, yeah, Mississippi teams and then this was more power platformish collaboration finish.

>> Steve: Yeah.

>> Anouk: And that makes some sense. But Scotland was good fun and it's a great event. I mean um, listen, uh, any event that starts off with a bagpipe and drums leading in the, the keynote speaker to the event, um, it was good fun and there were some awards given out.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: So my other podcast, um, M M365 distilled we uh. Of the year. Yes.

>> Steve: So I do need to say Kevin, well played on um, misleading the guys saying that they don't need to do an intro or anything else. Yes. They believed it.

>> Anouk: I was too open with Kevin. I shouldn't have told him what I was going to do. He was prepared for me.

>> Steve: Yes, you guys will won that one.

>> Anouk: And then Marine won the Modern Workplace Evangelist award. Yeah. So it was good fun. We came away with two.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: So Scottish summit was good. Um, so let's talk about workshop. Very much so. What was the key learning points of the workshop?

>> Steve: Um, um, for a lot of people the key learning was uh, one, what is gamification? Two, what are uh, agents? And three, how to build a copilot agent and bring in workflows and how you can bring in those gamified steps in there. So what we did was um, it was with Sandra and Marcus. Um, Sandra is a game developer so the gamification was her thing. Ah. To explain, um, I did the entire part about uh, what are agents and the basics of uh, workflows and agents and what the concepts are. And then Markus was lead for the entire afternoon for building the workshop copilot studio.

>> Anouk: Nice.

>> Steve: Uh, we built some kind of guide, uh, with Claude, not with Copilot and then it was actually a manual like when you go to Microsoft Learn and you do need to do some labs that kind of style of manually we created. Marcus was explaining it showed them uh, where to click and what to do and then they can do it on, on their own team and, and on their own environment. So we provide an environment for them with a licence, um, that was available three weeks after so that they could finish the lab, still were able to ask questions. Uh, and then if they want to rebuild it, they still have the manual to rebuild it on their own environment.

>> Anouk: So do you think that people really are ready to build agentic stuff? Agents, uh, workflows as Microsoft are now all calling them, of course, but those

>> Steve: AI automations, some of them are very perfect already ready for Start building those kind of things, uh, understanding it. Other people still need to understand more about the basics, what it is, where it lives, what can go wrong as well.

>> Anouk: Yeah, yeah, that's fine. But it, but as far as you were concerned, it was successful, it worked well. Timing was an issue.

>> Steve: But timing was a little issue. Yes. Um, also because at the beginning when we start built building this kind of workshop day, we were thinking about 15 people for a day. We end up with 30 people.

>> Anouk: Yeah.

>> Steve: To double of amount if you want to. We were with three people. Um, Marcus and I, we built the entire agents up front for Sandra. She was following the trip, the, the training herself during the day. So it takes some time for people to understand the things and to be aware of a few things. Why we were having a little timing issue.

>> Anouk: No, I got it. No, no, it's all well and good. I mean you never know how people are going to accept these things.

>> Steve: No, I've been there before. You don't know the experience in the group. So my first question at morning was who ever built an agent before? And there were only two people of the 30 that did.

>> Anouk: Could have been worse. Who's never heard of agents before? And everybody puts their hand up.

>> Steve: Yeah. But yes, it was nice to do.

>> Anouk: It is obviously key, the whole A.I. stuff. Um, without digging around into it, but the education of people in the AI stuff is fairly obvious. Just looking at, you know, the speakers and the speaker sessions that sort of coming out, everybody's talking about getting your data correctly. Um, a lot of people are talking about the security around it. A lot of people are talking about the adoption of it. Uh, we know it's going to be here whether we like it or not.

>> Steve: Yeah.

>> Anouk: Um, so I, I understand where, where it's at, but not many technical AI sessions are around.

>> Steve: No, not at all. Also because it's not that easy to make a technical AI session.

>> Anouk: Why?

>> Steve: Because a lot of people still don't understand them. It's their self to do a technical AI session, to bring it over to other people.

>> Anouk: Well, I do get. Everything is changing and it's changing so much. But I mean there are a lot of people using AI.

>> Steve: Yeah.

>> Anouk: Uh, and I mean the MVP is alone on the MVP chat. We can see a lot of people playing around and looking and doing and getting caught out by costs.

>> Steve: Yeah.

>> Anouk: So, um, so this is a, kind of an interesting process.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: Now, well, it's, it's a game at the end of the day, getting, getting used to it and learning the rules, etc. Etc.

>> Steve: Um, as you mentioned, costs. That's one thing that you need to do, be aware of that this is going to cost and we don't know how much tokens will be used with building. Everything you would like to have, it's agreed. Hard to calculate up front.

>> Anouk: Yeah, well, it is and there's a lot of things coming around, but it's going to be a changing process for the next five or 10 years, I think a big time. Uh, but that's good. So what have we got planned then? So we've got three sessions.

>> Steve: We forgot one session. Your bag of shit.

>> Anouk: Oh, my bag of shit. We forgot about my bag of shit. Yes, that is true. So I'll be very brief, but if you want to go and uh, find out what we did, um, if you go to M M365 distilled, I think it's a couple of episodes ago, um, Moraine and I went through all the presents. So, um, I was asked to do a presentation which I think I'm doing in November. Yes, again.

>> Steve: Oh, that I'm able to see it then.

>> Anouk: Yes. Because you're also speaking at the same event.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: I wonder which one they like better. No competition. But I basically did uh, the Gifts of AI so starting at kind of Generative, uh, Generative AI Generative AI and then finishing at the Frontier Company, you know, the Frontier firm, uh, and all the different pieces in between. Um, and um, yeah, that's what I did. And I just sat there and taught like a TED talk about the 10 gifts. It went down quite well because it was a technical audience. They'd all been talking about workflows and agents before that. Technically they all kind of developers, but they were really interested and really questioning. And it was a very interactive session. I was standing, walking amongst them and that's perfect questions. So it was good. So yes, I made 10 presents dressed up like Christmas boxes with wrapping and ribbons on them and everything else and a big title in the room. We kind of looked at a few of these, uh, kinds of processes. So now I have a new present or a new term. Meat, um, proxy.

>> Steve: Oh, here we go again.

>> Anouk: We found we. When we were, when we were at Scotland, um, and uh, on the Friday we did a two and a half hour show.

>> Steve: You and Marine.

>> Anouk: Yes, yeah. Talking about uh, uh, people that were doing the workshop. And um, we were talking about AI of course, surprise, surprise. But, uh, we came, somebody came up with this term called meat proxy and we thought it was hilarious. So an AI term which I now have to called Meat Proxy. Do you know what it is?

>> Steve: Can you remember that people trusting AI that much that they don't check what AI is creating them and just send it to other people?

>> Anouk: No, people are lazy bastards and they just use AI to generate their stuff without checking it. Yeah, um, but, um, so. So yes, because there's a real problem is that. That by doing that, then AI is just keep working on the same material without that human input. Yeah. So meets Proxy was, uh, the term from Scottish.

>> Steve: There are two terms. Meat, Proxy. And the other one was.

>> Anouk: I knew you're gonna ask that eventually. I was just slowly coming in my. I can't remember.

>> Steve: I can't remember because I wasn't there.

>> Anouk: I asked to ask Moraine last night, actually, what this one was because I was trying to remember it for, uh, when I was speaking to Gedela and, um, at work, but I couldn't remember it. But yes, meet Proxy. There we go. New term.

>> Steve: Yeah.

>> Anouk: Not sure how far it'll go, but you heard it here first.

>> Steve: But if we want to tell a fun fact about Scotland, you planned whiskey tasting in the evening on Friday. Ah.

>> Anouk: Do you have to go down this line?

>> Steve: So you planned a whiskey tasting.

>> Anouk: I did.

>> Steve: But you bought new cameras for the setup.

>> Anouk: Yes. And then there was a lead missing.

>> Steve: Yes, the lead was missing.

>> Anouk: So you took shopping around for the leads. And then I missed the whiskey tasting. Yeah, I know.

>> Steve: It was fun.

>> Anouk: Thank you.

>> Steve: I enjoyed it.

>> Anouk: Well, so did I. I mean, I got there too late to go downstairs and join you in the cellars of this beautiful building, uh, where you were tasting some whiskeys. But I actually had whiskeys upstairs. You didn't charge me for them. Yeah, um, but. And they were different to yours, and they were very nice. I had two very, very nice petered whiskies. Quite, um, old. 15 and 18 year old. So they was very nice. And then we spent a couple of days looking at the barrels of whiskey. But let's not go into those.

>> Steve: No, that you can do that with Marine.

>> Anouk: So let's just choose one of the new sessions we've got. Well, we've got three sessions, new sessions planned together.

>> Steve: We have two new. And I have another new one.

>> Anouk: Yes, a new one. Yeah. So sorry. Yes, you're speaking on your own at

>> Steve: the power conference in Prague.

>> Anouk: Power conference in Prague. So, yes, let's not bother talking about that one. All right, so that's one. And then we've got an AI playbook.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: Which we have to write.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: And then we've got one on AI Dashboards. Automating dashboards which we also have to write although we're a long way along with that one now.

>> Steve: Yes, I think that's going to be one without slides but more improvisation. Yes.

>> Anouk: Taking the mickey out of each other.

>> Steve: Yes. Like we normally do.

>> Anouk: That would be fun. Um, but the both interesting. They're very interesting things that are being brought forward because there's new rules and governance rules being brought out all the time. Microsoft are aware that you need better protection. Um, and they're changing the way that uh, Power Automate manages its governance because they're improving it for AI and uh, then modifying accordingly and they're withdrawing stuff he was talking about um, in the, in the PowerApp space. So um, we'll be speaking at Groningen on the AI dashboard. So that's the list dashboard. Um, and they basically the functionality is that I have a list of data and I'm able to use a prompt to just create a dashboard which I can then put in the middle of a page.

>> Steve: Yeah. And it's real time updates. So if your list data is updating then it's directly updated to the dashboard as well.

>> Anouk: Without refreshing the page?

>> Steve: Um, they say without refreshing the page. But I need to test that one out.

>> Anouk: And we also need to test whether you can use more than one list.

>> Steve: That's possible. I've done that already.

>> Anouk: Oh, and it works. Yes, I knew it would do.

>> Steve: So the reason why I like that and do like the dashboards is you don't need to go to Power BI anymore or make Excel lists of your list data in SharePoint and do the tables in Excel. You can now stay in SharePoint and have one data source instead of using complex Power BI or Excel.

>> Anouk: Got it. And also I think that end users can also generate these things on their own. So it is an end user choice. As long as they have copilot.

>> Steve: Yes. Do they need copilot, uh, to create a dashboard? Yes, to view them. That's something we need to check.

>> Anouk: Okay. See we're writing it as we go along so that's going to be fun. And we're going to, we're going to be very interactive. So I'm going to play the business, um, generated. Hey, I've got all these lists of data and I can't work out how to sort and filter and do this. And then I'm just going to throw it over to the rather smart looking IT secretary type on the other side of the room the smart cookie that will then go, oh, I can do that. And away you go. And then I know what's going to happen. We're going to spiral out of control and I'm just going to ask for.

>> Steve: That's not so much different than what we do in real life when you have technical issues and you need help. So I don't see any issues with it.

>> Anouk: That's okay then. So it should be fun. We'll see where that's going to go. Um, but I can also see people from the audience also going, oh, but can you then do this?

>> Steve: Yeah, but that's also the fun thing because we don't know all ah, what it can do. And we will think about a lot of things that we want to show and what we want to explain and be, uh, able to deliver. But if somebody in the audience has another idea and we didn't think of, it's fun to just do it in real life and see what's happening.

>> Anouk: True. We should also make sure we have the, uh, prompt catalogue handy so we can cut and paste the prompts into the catalogue.

>> Steve: That's exactly what we will do. Yeah.

>> Anouk: Good.

>> Steve: So your earlier question is also answered. Tenant will all be on my tenant because the prompt catalogue is on there.

>> Anouk: Yes, that's okay then you just need to give me access to the sites you can use.

>> Steve: Perfect.

>> Anouk: Um, so that's that one, the AI Playbook, though we haven't really put too much thought into that yet. No, I think it's going to be pretty cool, actually.

>> Steve: Yes. Um, we thought about that playbook when we were getting ready for the Zygraph one because we are touching the that playbook a little bit in that session. Yeah, not that much. So that's the thought we done, but we didn't go on with it. So. Yeah, we need to start thinking about it.

>> Anouk: No, that's true. And just to bring in, um, uh, we were talking earlier about a new attribute, uh, that will be a key part of that playbook, which is blueprint agents or agent blueprints, um, which are a way of, um. So when Anything runs in SharePoint, it runs under a security context. Uh, so you have a general account, for example, and you attach it to a workflow and that workflow runs in that general account. And agents do the same thing. So they run in the environment and the environment has these connects. But, uh, what Microsoft are doing is we're saying, hey, look, we can now create these virtual accounts, these virtual people, uh, and they're called blueprint agents or agent blueprints anyway, and they're templates of agents and then they can have, uh, sub agents and sub blueprints underneath. I, uh, need to dig into it and have a look at it. Uh, but the idea being that you can just turn off those blueprint agents. If you've got a leak or an issue or a problem with an agent, you can actually have centralised control. So that actually looks quite good. But that's a key part of the AI.

>> Steve: That's what Microsoft is doing now as well. We see that they are going to retire the agent file in SharePoint and it's all going to Copilot Studio. So they are going to make it more centralised as well.

>> Anouk: Well, I think what they're doing is they're separating the development work and the security. So these blueprints, these, these blueprint agents are actually in Entra.

>> Steve: Yeah.

>> Anouk: So they're actually part of security. So it's a way of securing AI. Whereas your, um, studio, Copilot Studio is really about building AI and building those agents. So my guess is you'll build the agent and you will apply a blueprint or you will create a son of a blueprint and to provide, uh, the support for it. But something we need to look into. But it's the first real thing that is designed to protect AI other than the existing manager content. Correct. And do this and do that and do the other. So that a playbook is going to be good. So. Well, we've got a few minutes left, so, you know, you got five seconds. What are you going to do in Prague?

>> Steve: In Prague, I'm going to actually, um, have one of my old apps that I created with a lot of variables and I'm going to refurbish that with actually more the best practices that Microsoft is having now at the moment in time and how you can easily do it without starting from scratch.

>> Anouk: Cool. So that's your idea?

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: Have you done anything about it yet?

>> Steve: Yes, I have the two apps ready.

>> Anouk: They're old apps.

>> Steve: Yes, this is an old app that I had.

>> Anouk: And you've done the new one And

>> Steve: I've done the new one.

>> Anouk: Nice.

>> Steve: In my case, to do the demo, I created a copy, um, of it, of course, but that's not what we will do. But yes, I'm going to show them how it can be done easily and, um, make it more performant and, uh, according to best practice.

>> Anouk: Nice. Well, what a techie podcast this has been. Yes, well, kind of. Kind of rather more. More technology than business.

>> Steve: It is actually what is living at the moment in time. We are doing a lot of AI stuff Yeah, you started with your new company that is all working in cloth and doing it all over there.

>> Anouk: True.

>> Steve: Um, you were documents, you mentioned they don't have that that much anymore.

>> Anouk: Well, no, the people that are working are uh, working with uh, Markdown's files. Oh, got it. Right.

>> Steve: Markdown.

>> Anouk: Yes, I normally say markup. Markup prices.md files and everybody understands.md files MD for markdown. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. No, it's interesting how people are actually working within Claude or Chat or even Copilot and actually developing their work and ideas and stuff. I mean I spent all day in it yesterday, post its on my desk with all my thinking moving them around and then I took a picture of it at the end and I kind of said to Claude, okay, tell me all about this. And it was exactly where we were going. And she went, okay, I can see how this all hangs together better now.

>> Steve: Yep.

>> Anouk: Um, so, uh, a nice mixture of hands on and practical and AI stuff. So. So yes, you're right. I think a lot more people are getting there, but. But it's still only small percentage.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: Let's be honest.

>> Steve: But it's the same. Um, because I was working at your place today, I showed you what I'm doing now for bug fixing in power apps and power platform. It's a little bit the same. It's something I created that I do in cloths that helps me think about things that I would maybe otherwise would think of, but busy with something else I would forget. And this helps me not forget it. So. But yeah, no, it's good.

>> Anouk: I think, uh, the whole idea of putting a vault together with all your data in it and, and uh, the projects and all that kind of stuff. So I think it does work and it works incredibly well. Yeah, it still has its frustrations, but there's a new technology relatively. Yeah, I mean look where Word was after five years.

>> Steve: True.

>> Anouk: I mean, and look where Excel was after five years and where this kind of stuff is now. So it's still fairly new stuff. So that's interesting.

>> Steve: It is. And it will develop and it will blow your mind at some. It is blowing our mind already sometimes it is.

>> Anouk: Yes.

>> Steve: But it will not stop doing that.

>> Anouk: So the real question really is that how do you go from a few percent of people working in it to 100% of the people working in it? 1 for the next podcast maybe?

>> Steve: I think so. It's one not to think of.

>> Anouk: Mhm. Maybe we'll come back with the AI Playbook. Because the AI Playbook is not just about you should not do this and you should not do that. No, it's really about how you should be encouraging people to play in the playbook within the rules and governance. So maybe that's a fun podcast to brainstorm around next time.

>> Steve: Yes.

>> Anouk: Cool.

>> Steve: Right, so, uh, are we are now going to back on our regular track and trying to do this every single. Every two weeks? Weeks?

>> Anouk: Um, yes, but we were trying to do that anyway.

>> Steve: Yeah, but summer break and all of that.

>> Anouk: That is very, very true. Well, it didn't quite work out, but we need to go and rescue Nicholas, who's coming in from the uk and he's only just managed to catch his train, so we're gonna have to go off and collect him from the station.

>> Steve: Perfect. Cool.

>> Anouk: All right, guys, thank you very, very much. I enjoy doing that.

>> Steve: So do I. Yeah.

>> Anouk: Recapping the stuff we do is easy, you know, being able to share with people the positiveness of it and how well it was all received.

>> Steve: Yes. It was a very relaxed thing, just sitting here and talking about things. It makes life much easier than sometimes the challenging, sweet things we have for

>> Anouk: each other and our customers and those challenges that they throw at us.

>> Steve: Oh, yeah.

>> Anouk: All part of them. All right, say goodbye to everybody.

>> Steve: Goodbye, everyone.

>> Anouk: Speak to you next time. Bye.

>> Steve: Bye,

>> Anouk: Sam.